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It is our pleasure to announce the “Tea Party Express: Countdown to Judgment Day” which will cross the nation from coast-to-coast, border-to-border October 25th – November 11th — 1 year ahead of the November 2010 congressional elections… or as our Czarina of the tea party movement, Amy Kremer, likes to refer to as “Judgment Day.” The Tea Party Express will kick-off the tour with a rally in San Diego, California on October 25th and wind up the tour with a rally in Orlando, Florida on November 11th (Veteran’s Day). We’ve just posted the new tour map and itinerary (with the dates of rallies in each city) at our website: www.TeaPartyExpress.org
A great job with some time lapse footage of protesters marching down Pennsylvania Avenue. This amateur filmmaker/reporter does a better job at illustrate the size of the people who attended the March on Washington than most news sources.
I have to admit I really admire the videos she makes! I think we should start a fund to get her some better equipment though lol
This map gives an estimation of the amount of people who fit in each area of the mall. The dots are the number of people that attended each inaguration. The biggest was Lyndon B. Johnson in 1965 with 1.2 million. Click here for the actual interactive map.
On 9-12 people went almost all the way back to the Washington Monument. In the map above that count was 1.2 million. So maybe my est. of 850,000+ is an underestimation?
Here are some more pictures where you can kind of tell how far back people go...
Organizing for America got a small group gathered at Upper Senate Park, and marched around the fountain.
Video includes Time Lapse footage of protesters marching around the fountain and footage from the wall of the landscaping illustrate the gathering of people who attended the event.
“How big is it?” is certainly one of the world’s most dreaded questions.
In fact, after the Million Man March in 1995, Congress restricted the National Park Service from even making estimates — a restriction that was maintained for 14 years and then quietly rescinded this January for the Obama inauguration.
I’m talking about crowds, of course. I can’t take you people anywhere.
There have been a lot of estimates, from the “official” one of 60 to 70 thousand, up to the rumored 2 million. Let’s see if we can make a plausible estimate with some rigor and some idea of possible error.
Yesterday, I made a back of the envelope calculation that Stephen Green picked up at Vodkapundit, simply to see if the high estimates were at all plausible. A number I picked up by Google searching told me that a pretty good crowd is about 18 people in 10 square meters — that’s about half as crowded as a crowded elevator (approximately one person per six square feet).
Wikipedia told me that the National Mall covers about 125 hectares, or about 1.25 million square meters, and simple multiplication then tells us that if the whole mall was that crowded, that would be as many as 2.3 million people. Which is one hell of a crowd. Call that an upper bound — anyone who says it was more than 2.3 million is almost certainly wrong.
Just for comparison, we’ve got the Obama inauguration, which was originally estimated at 2 million and then revised down to about 850,000. Popular Science got GeoEye to take a satellite photo.
Now, via Green, we have a number reported by Barbara Espinosa from the “people meter” on Pennsylvania Ave — a total of 1.5 million people passed by during the march. Now, that’s some kind of direct count, but we don’t know what kind — if anyone has any information on this “people meter” I’d love to see it — so let’s save that as an estimate and see what else we get. The National Park Service actually has a methodology for crowd estimation; they just were forbidden by Congress from using it after the Million Man March came out to be less than half a million. That restriction mysteriously disappeared for the Obama inauguration, and USA Today published a useful article on it.
Turns out the Park Service thinks a crowd is about one person per five square feet, or a little more dense than I used, but they clearly use a different area for the Mall than I got from Wikipedia — they say a full Mall is about 1.5 million. So all we need is an overhead photo, and we should be able to compare easily, right?
The only problem is that I can’t find one. No one paid to have GeoEye take one (next time, dammit) and no one has published one that I can find.
Darn.
So let’s take another approach. We’ve got Barbara Espinosa’s 1.5 million count. Is that plausible? Here we have other comparable data, in the various pictures from Pennsylvania Avenue. There is a time lapse from the traffic camera at 14th Street, roughly where E would cross 14th NW if only E actually crossed 14th. It’s overlooking the Freedom Park, and looking down Pennsylvania Avenue to the Capitol. The White House is basically behind us from this point of view.
What that shows us is Pennsylvania Avenue full of people walking past for at least three hours. (This matches some other independent accounts, like this at the New York Times.) So more back of the envelope: it’s 1.1 miles from Freedom Park to the Capitol, and Pennsylvania is six lanes plus a middle turn lane and some sidewalks — call it 100 feet wide. That’s about 600,000 square feet, so if it were a crowd standing still, that is at least 100,000 people. We’ve got a picture of that, so that’s got to be a lower bound. We’ve also got a variety of pictures of at least the part of the Mall from 3rd to Capitol Circle and it’s pretty full — the Park Service method tells us that’s around 250,000 right there.
But the people on Pennsylvania aren’t standing still: they’re walking, marching, at something between 2 and 4 miles per hour because that’s how fast people march. Let’s choose 3 mph: that would mean a line of people marching past a single point for three hours would be about 9 miles long. In that time, there would be enough people to fill that chunk of Pennsylvania about 8 times. That’s conservative, as what I’ve heard from people actually marching is that it was pretty packed; it wouldn’t be hard to believe the 1.5 million number either.
That’s 800,000 people.
The Park Service method, filling just the Capitol end of the Mall, is 250,000, but we have many reports of much overflow, and we also can figure that they wouldn’t have marched past for three full hours if there were only that many.
The legacy media estimate of 60-70 thousand is ludicrous: we have pictures of twice that. Still, it’s been reported, so we’ll keep it.
That’s a pretty wide range. To summarize:
Rumored number: 2 million “People meter” count: 1.5 million 8“Pennsylvania Avenues” full of people: 800 thousand Grant Memorial area by Park Service method: 250 thousand Legacy media reports: 70 thousand
Average all of those and we get 900,000 plus (924,000). Throw out the outliers, we get 850,000. And remember that the 1.5 million was a real count; it’s inherently a more believable number. Our estimate should be “pulled” upward by that.
Conclusion: probably well more than 850,000 in the crowd.
That was about the estimate that I gave the first day...Looking at the Million Man March. I think this is probably the closest to correct number out there. It definitely felt that big!
In 1995 there was something called the Million Man March where an estimated 870,000 people attended.
Now take a look at these two pictures...
Which one was from today?
If you didn't already guess, the first one was from 1995 and the second was from today.... You make your own judgement on how many people were there.
Here is another comparison photo for you:
Million Man March:
9/12 March on Washington:
(Mind you, there are a few difference, there are people in the entire area behind the huge tree on the left side of the picture that wasn't there in '95, I know because I was in that area AND that green area you see in the middle was blocked off by the police. )
I've never been surrounded by so many people and felt so safe! I've never been around so many American's and felt so proud! I've never been so encouraged! Today was such an amazing experience! It was a monumental moment in our fight against government waste, fraud, corruption, control...etc
I have to say that this March on Washington was not even remotely about a group of "sore losers" (as the Huffington Post claimed) expressing their racist and bi-partisan views. While there I heard and saw discontent about overall spending, fundamental changes, control and the corrupt agendas of the Obama's administration. I didn't hear or see, anything or anyone saying or carrying racial slurs. I even saw a poster with the words "Faces of Fascism" sprawled across it and pictures that included Obama's face alongside Bush's. This wasn't about Obama being elected, it wasn't some racist attempt to harm the president...it was all about claiming our rights as American's to disagree with the govenment.
From the moment we left our hotel room we started seeing the protesters. On the metro, men gave up their seat to women/children/elderly while people sang God Bless America. The metro stops were packed and people continues to cheer, chant and sing as they exited the buildings. When I was on Pennsylvania Avenue there was a SEA of people! I have no words to descirbe the amount of people there...you'll have to wait for the pictures.
The people were so nice, so polite, so friendly that I felt like everyone was someone I had already met! We marched all the way down Pennsylvania Avenue and gathered on the lawns of the Capitol building. My estimate would be somewhere around 750,000 to 1,200,000 people....don't pay attention to the media, look at the pictures and videos and make your own judgement about how many were there!
We walked around for a while, and then pulled out our blanket and sat on the lawn listening to the speakers. Which I must admit, I didn't see once! You could at least hear the speakers from where I was, but not see them. There were some people that couldn't hear very much but that was a blessing since it meant that the protest was a lot bigger than even the organizers imagined!
My mother and I met countless people from Maryland, South/North Carolina, Ohio, Texas, California, Washington State, Michigan, Florida, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Virginia, Tennessee, Georgia and I know there were a lot more states represented!
I'm trying to get the pictures up as sooon as I can, I have a couple hundred so its taking me a little longer to get an album of some sort going. In the meantime, I'll put up some YouTube vids and article links as they come up.
Do you you have a friend, family member, neighbor, aquaintence who can't go to D.C. for the 9-12 March on Washington?
Well, you can make sure everyone you know is being represented! Just have them give you a picture of themselves and tuck it away in the corners of your posters.
We all know that in theory there are 10 for every 1 going to D.C. this Saturday but wouldn't it be cool to be able to see the faces of those that couldn't make it.
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Are you the one that can't make it to D.C. this weekend? Ask around, you'd be surprised!
BUT If you don't have a friend going to protest you can always email me your picture and I will gladly paste it up there with a few other I have already!
Castro must have given Watson some Materva (aka Cuban Kool-Aid) because she has a terribly distorted view of Cuban history. The beginning of this audio has Watson talking about our "philosophical leader" Rush and how people are trying sabotage the first president we've had "that looks like me [Waston]". Then she goes on to talk about what a brilliant leader Fidel Castro is! (1 min, 49 sec) Contrary to Watson's comment, Fidel did have plenty of blood on his hands before and after he took control of Cuba. She has no idea about the real history of Cuba...after the video, I'll go ahead and give you some juicy information.
On a personal note, both my parent's were born in Cuba. All my grandparent were active aware citizens during the Cuban Revolution and their lives were greatly affected by the communist dictator, Fidel Castro. Here is the way that the Cuban Revolution went down according to the things that I know, learned and heard around the dining room table.
Batista (who served 1 term as president of Cuba in the 1940's) was in office when Fidel took over. In 1952 Batista staged a military coup and took over the government 2 months before the democratic election took place. Under Batista's rule Cuba started to delve into gambling and prostitution, but there were still most of the freedoms we have here in the U.S. today. Fidel would come to 'liberated Cuba' from an unelected leader, but who was going to think that the liberator would be a cruel, paranoid communist.
Fidel, a young lawyer from a wealthy family, led an attack on some barracks near Santiago de Cuba in 1953. It failed miserably and Castro ended up going to jail for only 3 of his 15 year sentence. In 1956 he was released and went into exile in Mexico, which is where Ernesto 'Che' Guevara came into the picture. Now Che is not the hero that so many make him out to be. He doesn't deserve to be on any t-shirt or poster because he is not a man to be idealized. He was a Marxist revolutionary, but he was also a rapist, murder, a thief. A common thug elevated to a God-like status among idealistic youths.
While in Mexico, Fidel organized the Movimiento 26, de Julio (26th of July Movement) where a group of men sailed over to Cuba to overthrow Batista. (Sidenote: I found out later in life that July 26th was my original due date and my grandfather told my mom to hold her legs together if she went into labor that day, fortunately I was late) Not surprisingly, most of the men were killed. Yet Che, Fidel and a dozen or so men escaped to Sierra Maestra mountains where they hid out for years, collecting disenfranchised men into an eager militia. For the next two years, Fidel was idolized by many Cubans. Many people believed in his cause because he claimed to want to restore Cuba to the old democracy.Many people were hopeful that Fidel would bring about the change they needed. Sound familiar??
Another sidenote, specifically my maternal grandfather was not blinded by Fidel's "change". He was very vocal about his disapproval of "la revolucion" and beyond being very vocal , he wrote a lot of commentaries that would later lead him to have to be flagged by the new regime. Eventually my grandparents had to sneak out of the country to avoid being torn apart by Fidel's purging of 'anti-revolutionary' minds. They didn't have internet in 1959, but does any of this sound remotely familiar?
Fidel and Che's guerrilla warfare grew exponentially in everything from attacks on Batista's men to advances like Radio Rebelde, a revolutionary radio station where Fidel first gave his addresses' to the people of Cuba. Fidel's had fewer men than the Cuban army but they were better trained and knew their surroundings, the mountains, remarkably well.
On December 31, 1958 the city of Santa Clara was captured by Fidel's men. Batista panicked and fled the country. I can hear my grandmother's voice now, "el primero de enero de ano 59, Fidel entro a la capital, y todavia no se ha ido." Fidel marched into Havana and seized power, sans oppositions on July 1, 1959. He was received like a Messiah. In reality he didn't arrive until the 8th but whose counting.
Since he didn't come right out and say that he was a communist, even appointing another man President for a while, most people were hopeful that Fidel would be the change they needed. But all too soon, Fidel took over and started to make changes pretty quickly.
Within just a couple years, life in Cuba had drastically changed. Here are some of the main changes he made to restrict freedom and competition: (I'm saying change a lot--I feel like Barry O!)
Purged (aka killed) political opponents from the administration
Groups such as labor unions were made illegal.
Within the year all opposition newspapers had been closed down and all radio and television stations were in state control.
Private Companies were confiscated
Teachers and professors were purged.
The Communist Party strengthened its one-party rule, with Castro as the supreme leader.
Moderates were arrested.
Neighborhood watch systems known as committees for the defense of the revolution (CDR) were created so on every block there was at least one resident that would "report fishy activity"...hmmmm
The Communist party remains the only recognized political party in Cuba.
Other parties, though not illegal, are unable to campaign or conduct any activities on the island that could be deemed counter-revolutionary.
No wonder there have been so many exodus' from Cuba! Things have only become worse over the years, including lack of parental choice when it comes to raising their own children. Around the age of 15 children are taken away to work in the sugar cane fields where many rapes and young pregnancies occur. Most recently the country has run out of toilet paper and won't be receiving another shipment until next year. Banana leaves?
Is this the kind of place that should be idolized? Would you want to visit a doctor in one of those hospitals?
In the early 1990's I had a great-aunt go to the doctor (in Cuba) and he found a lump in her breast. Do you think she got a mammogram? Nope! The only machine in Havana was broken. So without knowing if it was cancer or not, they doctor performed a mastectomy.
Now, she was already a little older, but the same things happen to women of all ages during that time. Can you imagine being in that situation? No ability to know if you have cancer or not. As a woman I can't imagine going through all the emotional and hormonal changes, still not knowing if they got all the cancer. Not knowing if I should still worry. You loose such a big part of yourself, but you loose a lot more than flesh.
My whole life I've heard about the atrocities of Cuban life not only from my family and friends but from my nail lady, from the hair dresser, from the doctor, the lawyer, the mayor. Cuba is such a little island compared to the United States and yet there are so many Cubans that live here. Do you think that is by chance?
The early Cubans that came over were the middle and upper classes. The ones that foresaw the pitfalls of communism, the ones that would not benefit from this new government 'handouts'. The intellectuals, the doctors the lawyers, they wouldn't be able to live their lives in Cuba anymore. Don't think those lawyers, engineers and doctors became lawyers engineers and doctors in the United States. They became truck drivers, janitors, construction and factory workers.
But I can say with great pride and total confidence that Cuban's have made more of the American dream than any other Hispanic group up to this date. First-, Second-Generation Cubans are now members of the same professions and economic status' of their fathers and grandfathers. Just look at me, I'm a first generation American and I have graduated college and am going to law school. I have aunts and cousins who have PhD. Friends who own their own successful companies.
To make my point, as many Communist countries do, Cuba has gone indoctrinating its citizens and so as generation after generation arrives here they are perpetually more lazy and more dependent upon the government. They expect the government to give them everything they need because that is all they've ever known. Sound a little familiar? But that is not the true Cuban mentality, it is a mentality that has been warped by 50 years of communism.
At the very core of a Cuban's heart is pride, in themselves, in their work and their country. Us Cuban-Americans are fiercely prideful of where we come from, but we are just as proud of where we are. The country that adopted the refugees, the saddened, the demoralized and gave them the opportunity to be intellectuals and professionals again. Gave them the opportunity to educate and improve thier lives tenfold.
Yet here we are standing next to so many other Americans' facing a time in our adopted countries history where people are hoping for change. Sound familiar? I know that so many of us worry that we the people have chosen the wrong kind of change. Sound familiar? Beware. I plead with Americans, don't let your desire for change lead you down a path to a place you no longer recognize.
Once again we have a great example of a misinformed Congresswoman who refuses to answer a question. In the video she says that the American people aren't stupid enough to elect communist, socialist etc...ha! What we aren't too stupid for is to see that those we did put in office are now giving power to those socialist and communist etc.
The American people have put all our dems in one basket, two words are missing from our government, balance and accountability.
I was talking with a cousin of mine from Costa Rica, a very intelligent 12 year old, Alexa. She asked me why we were always talking about Obama and the govenrnment. So I attempted to explained to her the fundamental problem that we are having right now. It went a little like this.
The United States was founded with 3 branches of government, legislative, executive and judicial. The legislative branch makes the laws, the executive branch carries out the laws and the judicial branch interprets or explains the laws. Now the reason that our very intelligent founders made three bodies of federal government is because they realized the importance of balance and accountability.
The legislative branch is responsible for its part, but it is also held accountable by the executive and judicial branches etc etc. Balance and accountability are fundamental principles of our system. Now, when one group has overwhelming control of too many branches then there is no longer the balance nor accountability that we need.
She understood that, why didn't America??
But here we are. All our dems...I mean eggs in one basket. We have created this mess for ourselves and now we have to dig our way out. We have to protest, write, call, email, shout, question, blog, comment, research, inform, talk and do anything in our power to have our voices heard.
We have a chance. A fighting chance to stop this fundamental change that is facing our country but only is everyone that is outraged speaks up. It is time to make our government accountable to US.
I am disgusted and yet not surprised to hear that Communist Dictator Fidel Castro is now calling the changes that Obama is trying to make,"positive". But I have to ask, isn't something terribly wrong when a communist dictator is saying we are making positive changes?? For him positive is communism. So what kind of changes are we making?
Sidenote: Notice I wrote DICTATOR, because although the media seems to be convinced that at some point in history there was a free election in Cuba during which Fidel was elected, there wasn't. January of 1959 Fidel Castro marched into Havana and overthrew the previous leader, also a dictator by the name of Batista. Neither Fidel nor his brother Raul were ever freely chosen as leaders and as a Cuban- American I find it offensive that they are given that distinction in American media.
Getting to the article, lets look at the key points:
Obama is trying to make positive changes in the United States, but is being fought at every turn by right-wingers who hate him because he is black wrote Fidel
Obama inherited many problems from his predecessor and was trying to resolve them but the "powerful extreme right won't be happy with anything that diminishes their prerogatives in the slightest way."-Fidel
Castro wrote, "the extreme right hates him for being African-American and fights what the president does to improve the deteriorated image of that country."
"I don't have the slightest doubt that the racist right will do everything possible to wear him down, blocking his program to get him out of the game one way or another, at the least political cost," Castro wrote.
The problem is not that the right is racist!
I am so sick and tired of being called a racist for not approving of the President. I could care less if he was Hispanic, African-American, Asian, whatever. I care about his fundamental views and beliefs. I care about his policies. I care about what he is doing to this country, not what color his skin is or what religion he practices.
I think that the American people are starting to realize what a mistake we made in Nov of 2008 and are starting to pull away from this administration. And I believe that the leftists, the radicals, the Fidel Castros of this world are desperately trying to cling to the momentum they had going for them a year ago by scaring people away from the right. Vilifying the right and creating this stigma that it's racist to be anti-Obama. We'll I have news for the left, American's aren't buying it any more.
After a bit of searching I found this posting on the Sacramento Craigslist. I copied most of it down below. No suprise that the "main stream" aka liberal media aren't covering this sort of thing.
While at the protest I was talking a woman who helps organize protests etc down here in MIA. This man came up and started asking her if we had any conservative lawyers on our side that could do a little research for him. He was curious if paying people to protest is legal? I started to think about it and I think it could raise some serious issues depending on permits and all those things you need to work on the street. If anyone reading this happens to be a lawyer and has some resemblence of an answer for me...well I would appreciate it!
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UPDATE: Which party do voters trust with Health Care? Republicans 44% Democrates 41% Rassmussen
"Democrats held a four-point lead on the issue last month and a 10-point lead in June. For most of the past two years, more than 50% of voters said they trusted Democrats on health care. The latest results mark the lowest level of support measured for the party on the now-contentious issue."
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President Obama's Approval Rating Approve 47% Disapprove 52% Ramussen Reports, Aug 10-12 1,500 Likely Voters
Peoples Reaction to Town Hall Protesters and Cause More Sympathetic 34% Less Sympathetic 21% USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, Aug 11
Independents' Reaction to Town Hall Protesters and Cause More Sympathetic 35% Less Sympathetic 16% No Difference 38% USA TODAY/Gallup Poll, Aug 11
WHAT TO SAY TO DOUBTFUL LIBERALS.....
Some Liberal argued that the Ramussen poll is not really as accurate as FoxNews is implying. Why? Because on Real Clear Politics they have taken all the different polling companies averages all the polls.
HOWEVER, it was pointed out that the Ramussen Report polls likely voters while all but one other company poll registered voters. That makes a BIG difference!!! You can poll registered voters until you are blue in the face but when it comes to election day how many of them will actually make it to the booth.
In Houston, TX, Representative Sheila Jackson-Lee (D - TX) took the Townhall Meeting Disrespect to whole new level by taking a cell phone call while a cancer survivor was talking and asking her question.
Michelle Malkin Guest
Congresswoman claims that she called the Health care hot line to get answers for her constituents. Seems like she came to the meetings very prepared.
As an explanation she said that in Congress you have to multi-task
She used her phone while two other people were asking her questions.
Why aren't we hearing real answers about the important questions about keeping health care, end of life conversation, privacy etc.- Hannity
They are a distraction from the emotionalism and anecdotes with which Obama is selling Obamacare. the people that ask the questions are being mocked and treated as joke. There is now that questioning starting to arise even in other media and this is why they didn't want to have this long recess. The longer people have to understand the more in trouble they will be.
Apparently Obama compared the Post Office and Fedex/UPS yesterday. Basically he stated that the Fedex/UPS is doing well in this economic time btu the Post Office is suffering. So what he basically said was the Medicare/Medicaid is suffering because of Public Insurance.
Really?
So the solution to that is what?
Get rid of the private healthca...I mean private mailing options.
Hannity featured a woman who spoke out at a town hall meeting in Englewood, NJ with Congressman Steve Rothman. Diane Thurber-Wamsley talked about a very important issue in the health care bill,government funded abortions. (if anyone can find her video please let me know!)
See most people are saying that abortions aren't even in the Health Care bill....but that is the problem! Not too long ago some 19 House Democrats who are actually pro-life (Murtha of PA included) sent Pelosi a letter detailing some very imporant facts/demands.
"Without an explicit exclusion, abortion could be included in the a government subsidized heath care plan under general health care. The health care reform package produced by Congress will be landmark, and with legislation as important as this, abortion must be addressed clearly in the bill text."
Here is an idea to reducing government waste. In a New York jail 11 inmates had collected $30,000 in unemployment benefits and were slated to receive another $18,000.
"Climate Change will intensify droughts, floods and other natural disaster. Water shortages will affect hundresd of millions of people...social unrest- even violence- could follow.......We have the power to change course. But we must do it now...We have just four months. Four months to secure the future of our planet." --Ban Ki Moon, UN Secretary General
Guests: Ann Coulter, Author and Fox News Contributor Pat Caddell, Fox News Contributor (Dem) Mercedes Viana Schlapp, Republican Strategist
Hannity: Are you happy with the DNC, name calling etc? Pat Caddell: As a democrat we are supposed to be party of common people...The DNC is on lock stop and barrel by the white house...by coming out and calling people a mob.... its unprecedented, beyond insensitivity it was stupid! Hannity: That's interesting that you said that, I've never heard a democrat say that. The DNC is Obama.
Pat Caddell: I think they've (democrats) decide to push the mob idea because they want to get the issue off the specifics.
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